Super Talent & TEAM: DDR3-1600 Is Here!
by Wesley Fink on July 20, 2007 11:30 AM EST- Posted in
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Memory Test Configuration
The comparison of the two new DDR3-1600 memories used exactly the same components as our first reviews of DDR3 in DDR3 vs. DDR2, Intel P35 Memory Performance: A Closer Look, and Kingston Launches Low-Latency DDR3. The same test bed was used wherever possible. DDR2 memory performance baselines have been established and DDR2 memory performance will no longer be actively tested for our DDR3 reviews. With that in mind the bench processor has been changed to the Core 2 Duo E6420, which uses the same 4MB of unified cache as the top line C2D processors. With a ratio of 8 it is very easy to run 8x333 or our base 2.66 GHz with this CPU, merely by selecting the 333 strap and FSB on the test bed ASUS P5K3 Deluxe motherboard. This CPU can also handle FSB speeds to 500 and more (memory to DDR3-2000+) within the available 6 to 8x ratios at default voltage.
It is very difficult not to digress into a sidebar on Intel Core 2 overclocking when working with this CPU. The cost was just $183 and it will be replaced by the E6750 1333 FSB CPU at the same $183. Our 6420 runs 8x266 (2.13GHz), 8x333 (2.66 GHz), 8x417 (3.33 GHz) and 7x500 (3.5GHz) all at the default voltage setting. This covers up to DDR3-2000 at the 333 strap, and we hope the upcoming E6750 will perform just as well in our test bed as a replacement. This is a retail chip bought from an etailer and not an Intel-supplied processor.
Just six weeks after the introduction of P35 we already need a new chipset - or at least some serious work on DDR3 ratios. The ease of testing with the first DDR3 was the availability of a 1333 ratio on the P35-based ASUS P5K3 Deluxe. This meant we could select a stock speed like 2.66GHz and test various memory speeds at the same CPU speed. Unfortunately there is no 1600 (or 1666) ratio available on the P5K3 Deluxe or other P35 boards we have been testing. We need this ratio, since DDR3-1600, and DDR3-2000 are about to be common memory speeds. The only way you can test these memory speeds without a ratio is to overclock the CPU. Also the unfortunate reality of the 333 multiplier for a 1333 bus speed is that it is almost impossible to devise ratios and speeds that will allow realistic memory testing at the same processor speed.
As a result, until we get new chipsets and/or a BIOS with added ratios we are back to testing memory above 1333 speed at overclocked settings instead of the same processor speeds. This makes isolation of memory speed as the only test variable in memory reviews virtually impossible above the 1333 ratio. Motherboards need DDR3-1600 and DDR3-2000 ratios now that these memory speeds are on the market. We have a quick request/question for motherboard makers and Intel: if you can fix this ratio issue with BIOS updates please do so; if not, will this be one of the features of the upcoming X38 chipset?
Past performance tests of DDR2 memory on the Intel P965 and P35-DDR2 platforms are included for comparison. All current memory tests use the Intel P35-DDR3 test bed (ASUS P5K3 Deluxe) with the DDR3 memory under evaluation. The CPUs listed above in our table are 1066 FSB processors, but all ran fine at 1333 FSB at default multiplier and default voltage. New 1333 bus processors with the same ratios will be substituted for these processors as soon as they are available.
The comparison of the two new DDR3-1600 memories used exactly the same components as our first reviews of DDR3 in DDR3 vs. DDR2, Intel P35 Memory Performance: A Closer Look, and Kingston Launches Low-Latency DDR3. The same test bed was used wherever possible. DDR2 memory performance baselines have been established and DDR2 memory performance will no longer be actively tested for our DDR3 reviews. With that in mind the bench processor has been changed to the Core 2 Duo E6420, which uses the same 4MB of unified cache as the top line C2D processors. With a ratio of 8 it is very easy to run 8x333 or our base 2.66 GHz with this CPU, merely by selecting the 333 strap and FSB on the test bed ASUS P5K3 Deluxe motherboard. This CPU can also handle FSB speeds to 500 and more (memory to DDR3-2000+) within the available 6 to 8x ratios at default voltage.
It is very difficult not to digress into a sidebar on Intel Core 2 overclocking when working with this CPU. The cost was just $183 and it will be replaced by the E6750 1333 FSB CPU at the same $183. Our 6420 runs 8x266 (2.13GHz), 8x333 (2.66 GHz), 8x417 (3.33 GHz) and 7x500 (3.5GHz) all at the default voltage setting. This covers up to DDR3-2000 at the 333 strap, and we hope the upcoming E6750 will perform just as well in our test bed as a replacement. This is a retail chip bought from an etailer and not an Intel-supplied processor.
Just six weeks after the introduction of P35 we already need a new chipset - or at least some serious work on DDR3 ratios. The ease of testing with the first DDR3 was the availability of a 1333 ratio on the P35-based ASUS P5K3 Deluxe. This meant we could select a stock speed like 2.66GHz and test various memory speeds at the same CPU speed. Unfortunately there is no 1600 (or 1666) ratio available on the P5K3 Deluxe or other P35 boards we have been testing. We need this ratio, since DDR3-1600, and DDR3-2000 are about to be common memory speeds. The only way you can test these memory speeds without a ratio is to overclock the CPU. Also the unfortunate reality of the 333 multiplier for a 1333 bus speed is that it is almost impossible to devise ratios and speeds that will allow realistic memory testing at the same processor speed.
As a result, until we get new chipsets and/or a BIOS with added ratios we are back to testing memory above 1333 speed at overclocked settings instead of the same processor speeds. This makes isolation of memory speed as the only test variable in memory reviews virtually impossible above the 1333 ratio. Motherboards need DDR3-1600 and DDR3-2000 ratios now that these memory speeds are on the market. We have a quick request/question for motherboard makers and Intel: if you can fix this ratio issue with BIOS updates please do so; if not, will this be one of the features of the upcoming X38 chipset?
| Memory Performance Test Configuration | |
| Processor | Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 (x2, 2.13GHz unlocked, 4MB Unified Cache) 8x266 - 2.13 GHz 8x333 - 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo X6800 (x2, 2.93GHz unlocked, 4MB Unified Cache) 10x266 - 2.66 GHz 8x333 - 2.66GHz |
| RAM | Super Talent W1600UX2G7 (2GB kit - 2x1GB, DDR3-1600 7-7-7) Team TXD31924M1600HC9 (2GB kit - 2x1GB, DDR3-1600 9-9-9) Kingston KHX11000D3LLK2 (2GB kit - 2x1GB, DDR3-1333 7-7-7) Corsair CM3X1024-1066C7 (2GB Kit - 2x1GB- DDR3-1066 7-7-7) Corsair Dominator CM2X1024-8888C4 (2GB Kit - 2x1GB - DDR2-1250 5-5-5) |
| Hard Drive | Samsung 250GB SATA2 enabled (8MB Buffer) |
| System Platform Drivers | Intel - 8.3.0.1013 |
| Video Card | Leadtek WinFast 7950GT - 256MB |
| All Standard Tests | |
| Video Drivers | NVIDIA 93.71 |
| CPU Cooling | Intel Retail HSF |
| Power Supply | Corsair HX620W |
| Motherboards | ASUS P5K3 Deluxe (Intel P35 DDR3) ASUS P5K Deluxe (Intel P35 DDR2) ASUS P5B Deluxe (Intel P965 DDR2) |
| BIOS Revision | 0604 (6/26/2007) |
| Operating System | Windows XP Professional SP2 |
Past performance tests of DDR2 memory on the Intel P965 and P35-DDR2 platforms are included for comparison. All current memory tests use the Intel P35-DDR3 test bed (ASUS P5K3 Deluxe) with the DDR3 memory under evaluation. The CPUs listed above in our table are 1066 FSB processors, but all ran fine at 1333 FSB at default multiplier and default voltage. New 1333 bus processors with the same ratios will be substituted for these processors as soon as they are available.
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metalgrx - Thursday, December 13, 2007 - link
If you check the official site of TEAM ( http://web.teamgroup.com.tw/teamgroup/en/productDe...">http://web.teamgroup.com.tw/teamgroup/e...php?pd_i... you ll see the PC3 12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL7 (2*1GB),7-7-7-21-2T, 1.75V~1.85V which is available in my country and i must say it's quite cheap compared to the other options...what do you think about this? To set it clearly...should i buy it?Bozo Galora - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
FWIW: I picked this little blurb up from EVA's forum:Quote:
BTW... The Micron Z9's are just Engineering samples (rev B), while the D9's are going to be on the market soon (if not already out there), and those are the non-Engineering samples.
Hopefully the D9's can overclock as well as the Z9's (or even better)
(Unquote)
So it looks like the DDR3 will also have D9's
DigitalFreak - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
Wait a sec... so all this Z9 memory being reviewed isn't what will actually be available for sale? I thought these were retail DIMMs?Wesley Fink - Saturday, July 21, 2007 - link
We have kits identified as Retail from both Super Talent and OCZ. Both have also announced the availability of these parts and pricing for the retail parts. TEAM has told us the TEAM kit is an Engineering Sample, but that retail kits will be announced soon.EVGA boards use nVidia chipsets and do not support DDR3. I would guess EVGA and its users would not be happy with DDR3-2000 chips being available as it would likely hurt their sales.
Bozo Galora - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
Another fine memory review - you da man, Wesley.Please ignore all the knuckle draggers - they have nothing better to do in their boring empty lives than to argue just for for the sake of arguing.
Keep up the good work - don't let the losers get to you.
theprodigalrebel - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
TEAM's timings are listed as 5-4-3-9 2.1V @ 1900MHz in the 'Highest Speed' column.Wesley Fink - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
The charts have all been corrected and now show the correct DDR3-1900 TEAM settings of 9-8-7-18 at 2.1V. Since our Web Editor is traveling and not available I ended up redoing the charts myself, so I added a few things like larger type to communicate the winner at each memory speed.strikeback03 - Monday, July 23, 2007 - link
while you're at it, last page, 4th paragraph from the end mentions DDR2-2000 DIMMs, assume that should be DDR3.Wesley Fink - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
Thank you for pointing that out. It will be corrected.MadBoris - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
At first I was like wow.Then I saw all DDR2 comparisons were at 33% less CPU frequency.
We need to get back to real world thinking here.
As an example if I am buying a MOBO capable of DDR2 or DDR3 with a 2.8 GHZ CPU. I would like to know what the actual performance difference would be on that platform for extra cost of DDR3. As it is, by guessing, a faster CPU would probably be a better value and keeping DDR2.
Anyway, unique charts and data this time guys. I know it shows the scaling of memory speed and I am sure this some amazing electronic achievement in some laboratory, but it doesn't communicate much value to me until I see some apple to apple comparisons.
I'm sure that will come around next time, looking forward to it.