Discrete HTPC GPU Shootout
by Ganesh T S on June 12, 2011 10:30 PM ESTWe will see in the 'DXVA Benchmarking' section that denoising is one of the more GPU intensive video post-processing tasks. To put that in perspective, let us take a look at how the denoising performance of each card is, and the factors which affect it.
In each of the galleries above, you can see a screenshot of a noisy video being played back with PowerDVD. The first shot shows the appearance of the video without denoising turned on. The second shot shows the performance with denoising enabled. For both cards, it can be seen that the denoising kicks in, as expected. This is also reflected in the relevant HQV benchmark section. With denoising turned on, note that the GPU load increases from 75% to 81% for the GT 520, while the corresponding increase in the GT 430 is much smaller.
Is it similarly straightforward to test the denoising performance on the AMD GPUs? Unfortunately, that is not the case. AMD has this nifty feature 'Enforce Smooth Video Playback' (ESVP) in the Catalyst Control Center.
Simply put, it just means that the drivers automatically turn off post processing features if it finds that the card is not powerful enough to do it in real time. How well does this feature work? While we are on the topic of denoising, let us check up on that first.
The first shot shows the noisy video being played back with ESVP on and the denoising options turned off.
The second and third shots sows the denoising options (Denoise and Mosquito Noise Reduction) taking effect. Note the GPU load increasing from 40 to 49%. The fourth shot in the above gallery show that ESVP has no effect on denoising. Note that turning off ESVP increases the GPU load from 49% to 88%. This implies that some other post processing option was enabled in CCC, but didn't actually kick in because the card was too weak.
Moving on to the MSI 6450, the gallery below presents two shots.
The first one forces the denoising algorithms to take effect by disabling ESVP. Note that the GPU load rocketed up to 100%. The video became a slideshow soon enough. The second shot shows that ESVP is turned on, and the denoising algorithms are also turned on. It was quite evident that the denoising algorithms didn't take effect and the drivers silently turned off the denoising algorithms. This can also be inferred from the fact that enabling the denoising algorithms increased the GPU load to 100%.
AMD acknowledge the issue and indicated that they are working on a fix. I have little doubt that this is going to be resolved soon because the same files on a Blu-ray disc play back with all the post processing options. However, with the current drivers, the DDR3 based 6450 suffers heavily.
The Sapphire 6570 is, thankfully, not an ESVP mess like the 6450. The gallery below presents two shots.
The first one has ESVP on, but the denoising algorithms are off. The video is clearly noisy, and GPU utilization is pegged at 52%. In the second shot, ESVP is off (which means that almost all the video post processing algorithms except brightness level adjustments are forced to take effect). GPU utilization shoots up to 76%, but the end results are very good. It is a matter of personal taste, but the addition of mosquito noise reduction seems to make the AMD denoising results much better than NVIDIA's.
Let us come back to the ESVP mess on the 6450s. The intent of ESVP is to make sure that the decoder puts out the decoded frame within the required time. It should be OK to forsake any post processing steps in case the GPU is not able to keep up. We saw in the 'Custom Refresh Rates' section that both the 6450s were unable to keep up with 1080p60 H264 decoding. Those tests were run with ESVP turned on. The gallery below shows how the same video can be played back with all the post processing options turned off (including ESVP).
It is clear that the UVD engine in the 6450 can handle 1080p60 H264 decoding. It is a combination of ESVP and other post processing features which makes AVCHD clips unplayable on the 6450s. The last two shots in the gallery are from the MSI 6450. They show that 1080p60 H264 decode with all the CCC options turned off has a GPU load of 36%. Turning on ESVP makes it shoot up to 100% and results in jerky playback. This, however, has not yet been acknowledged by AMD as a problem yet.
In addition, the gallery below shows screenshots of a 1080p24 video being played back on the MSI 6450 (DDR3 based, lower core clock) in PowerDVD 11 and MPC-HC.
In both cases, GPU load regularly spikes up to 100% resulting in very noticeable stutters in the video playback. We were able to reproduce the problem with MPC-HC also. We suspect it is a combination of AMD's drivers as well as the lower core clock in the MSI 6450 which is causing this issue.
The takeaway from this section is that the AMD drivers need a lot of work with respect to ESVP on the 6450s. The denoising performance of both the NVIDIA cards is passable. I personally find AMD's denoising implementation (in the 6570) to be better. However, I strongly recommend readers to avoid the 6450s for some time to come.
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fixxxer0 - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
that arrangement of cards slightly resembles a swastikaAnand Lal Shimpi - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
Thanks for the heads up, it honestly didn't cross our minds at all but now that it's been pointed out I can completely see the resemblance. Needless to say we've removed the offending image and I'd like to apologize to anyone who was offended.Thank you guys for catching it so quickly.
Take care,
Anand
fb39ca4 - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
If people want to jump to conclusions, let them. The swastika means many things, if you want to associate it with Nazis then go ahead, or you could associate it with the religion Jainsim, which it happens to be a symbol of. Your interpretaion of the image affects no one, there is no reason to make a big deal over it.fixxxer0 - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
lol... i made no connection to nazis or anything... nor said i was offended.i just pointed out a resemblance i noticed as a matter of fact.
tzhu07 - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
Yeah, time to change the Nazi reference.qwertymac93 - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
The indians(the asian ones...) have been using Swastikas for centuries before the nazi party was even thought of. Just sayin'.jwilliams4200 - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
It is unfortunate that there is such an over-reaction to something like this. Besides, the swastika symbol is and has been used for many, many other purposes than representing Nazis:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Souka - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
True as it may be that fact remains that if some one says:"Hitler"
Most people think of Adolf
"swastika"
Most people think of Nazi
I'm of Jewish decent... the pic didn't offend me in the least bit, nor my friends.
Jusy saying.... ;)
Gnarr - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
people should be thinking of Nazi's and Hitler anyways, it reminds everyone not to make that mistake again.I see no harm in accidentally arranging something in a Swastika :p
and on that notes.. There is a company in my home country that has been using the swastika as the company logo for over hundred years:
http://martasmarta.blog.is/users/1d/martasmarta/im... ;)
L. - Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - link
Unfortunately it does not.The way the western world depicts adolf hitler, nazism and everything surrounding that part of history is far from reminding anyone not to make that mistake again, as the main message is "nazi evil, hitler evil, us good guys, us not like them".
Anyone ever wondered what difference there is between Gestapo and the Patriot Act ? - oh right it doesn't target jews so it's fine ... lol