Looks like some of the earlier rumors about the upgrade path for existing WP7 devices turned out to be true. Microsoft just now announced that existing WP7 devices will not get updated to WP8, instead they'll get WP7.8 and a partial update feature set, including the new home screen with customizable live tiles. 

We're still waiting to get more details about what other features make it over. Applications made for WP7 and WP8 will continue to work on WP7.8, but users wanting all the rest of the WP8 features will have to get that update in the form of new hardware. Update: Microsoft has clarified, and appliations built for WP8 will not run on WP7.5/7.8 (native C/C++ appliations), we're asking for more details.



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  • sigmatau - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    So, Apple is worse. Should Microsoft have followed Apples lead and lied to its users? Maybe they should have released WP8 to ALL their phones, even the Windows CE phones but remove so many fucking features like Apple did that it is not the same shit.

    I guess you would be happy if you were able to go into "about your phone" and look at that updated number to the new OS? And that's it?
  • dagamer34 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    That's like expecting a Pentium II to run Windows 8, because darn it, Microsoft has the money to just make it work! Old hardware is not supported for good reason. Reply
  • andrewaggb - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link


    Odds are pretty good that running the wp8 on a single core device would suck.

    You'd be complaining the ui is laggy and unresponsive and there's no longer enough memory to run your applications and not enough space on your phone to install apps anymore.

    It happened to apple, it's happened to many of the android phones.

    7.8 isn't 8, but it's better than nothing which is actually what I expected.
  • raulr - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    What if it a top of the line PC you bought last week? Would you expect it to run Windows 8 well?

    Now what if you bought the current WP flagship phone, the Nokia Lumina 900 last week?

    I don't have a WP device, but I wouldn't be happy if I bought one of their best models on a 2 year contract and MS did this. At least from WP8 forward, they are committing to at least 18 months of software updates. Sucks to have been an early supporter (or even recent supporter) of the platform though.
  • nikon133 - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    It doesn't mean that WP 7.x will stop being supported. It just means it will run parallel to WP8.

    In fact I'm pretty sure WP7.x will be around for a while, moving down the ladder to be entry level WP experience. Maybe even replacing remaining Symbian phones at Nokia in time (though I think Nokia already said they will stick with Asha platform for a while).

    I didn't buy Lumia 800/900 recently, but I'm still considering to; they looked as perfect phones for my needs, and simple fact that something more powerful is out there doesn't make them less useful for me. And price will dip down, which cannot be bad.
  • haukionkannel - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Indeed. wp 7.5 has been very good with single core prosessors. And if wp 7.8 is better there will be new wp 7.8 phones many years!

    What wp does 8 offer is multicore support and higher screen resolution. All thing that benefits nothing in older phones.

    I think that you are right in there: in the future we will get
    wp 8.x for high end (upper middle class) phones and
    wp 7.x for low end and low middle range phones
  • themossie - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - link

    Except native C++ apps for WP8 won't run on WP7.8, splitting developer efforts between both platforms... Reply
  • sigmatau - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    I could give a rats ass. I was in the same boat as you lost souls. I wanted the top of the line phone with all the bells and whistles so I got a GS2 when it was first available on AT&T. Boy was I dissapointed.

    I just got a Lumia 900 last week and it makes my GS2 look like a fisher price toy. The Lumia actualy works like I would expect. Not 1-3 second delay when I hit the power button. No 1-3 second delay when I'm hitting the end call button. I don't believe I have ever been able to end a call before the person on the other end did on by POS GS2. The screen rotation on the Lumia works perfectly. The GS2 seemed to clunk through it after.... you guess it a 1-2 second delay.

    The hardware on the GS2 is total crap too. The small power button was the worst on any phone I've ever used. I'd have to hit it 2-3 times to get it to work. The phone can actualy flex as it is made of patheticaly cheap materials. My inner screen broke but the outer screen and the whole phone has not one scratch on it.

    As for updates? Are you kidding me? I bought my phone in October. One month prior to ICS. The GS2 was the top of the line phone in October. It's the middle/end of June and still absolutely bull shit from Samsung.

    Anyways, I don't care, Samsung can shove their GS3 up their collective asses. I have a real smartphone now. The Lumia 900 is beyond elegant.

    The Lumia has its own shortcommings but nothing like Samsung phones.
  • sigmatau - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link

    Oh, and don't you dare tell me my phone was defective. I took it to get checked out at At&t and apparently that's how horrible the phone is supposed to act.

    I can't fault AT&T. I was thinking of other options until they reset my contract a full year ahead of scheduled so I wouldn't have to pay an upgrade fee. Also no activation fee.

    AT&T is awesome. I feel sorry for people on other carriers.
  • hamsterkiller - Thursday, June 21, 2012 - link

    There are tons of SGS2 out here, I had one, switch recently, my girlfriend, at least 4 on my office.

    Never see a phone that you press the power button and simply wait 1-3 seconds till screen appears, not SGS2, really, I can't remember any phone doing this.

    Never failed to press power button in SGS2 (really, I can only remember a few years ago with BlackBerry Pearl...)

    I must admit that screeen rotation is faster on Lumia 800 (don't have a 900 near me), but 1-3 seconds will be on your world, where miliseconds are converted to infinite seconds of wait...

    If u wanna, can try to ask all teammates to put all SGS2 in the table and show how many time they need to press power button, rotate screen or ending a call.

    But as you are a troll, you must know real times, not your imaginary endless time...

    I must admit that Lumia 800 feels faster on basic actions like ending a call or rotate screen.

    SGS2 is the lightest phone I know, and never feel that it will break, Lumia 800 feels very solid too, not comparable with iPhone4, that looks much more fragile.

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